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Where Are the Wise Crones in Science Fiction?

“The childishness noticeable in medieval behavior, with its marked inability to restrain any kind of impulse, may have been simply due to the fact that so large a proportion of active society was actually very young in years.” — Barbara Tuchman, A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century


Until recently, women died on the average younger than men, primarily in childbirth – though they also died from overwork, undernourishment and beatings, like the beasts of burden they often resembled, or were killed in infancy for having the wrong hardware between their legs. However, this changed in the last few decades. UN records indicate that most of the world’s aged are now women (ignoring the “girl gap” of China, India and other cultures that deem sons a sine qua non). Concurrently, biology is (reluctantly) coming to the conclusion that grandmothers, particularly maternal ones, may have made humans who they are.

Literature, whether mainstream or genre, has apportioned a good deal of its content to formidable crones, matriarchs and dowagers, both benign and malign. There is one genre, however, which if read exclusively conveys the impression that men live for ever (and get ever more potent and interesting as they do so) but a disease fells women the moment they go past the “peak attractiveness” so beloved of evopsychos. This genre is science fiction (SF). In an unusual reversal, it’s worse in books than in film/TV, of which more anon.

The age skewing may have to do with the simple fact that, conscientious efforts to the contrary, SF remains quintessentially American in all its parochial glory – and Americans are obsessed with youth (especially that of women) and terrified of aging, which they try to stave off or mask at all costs: from the Viagra craze, lethal side effects be damned, to the cracked-glaze look of older celebs to the transhumanist fact-free ravings about uploading into perfect, indestructible silicon bodies. In SF this is exacerbated by the genre’s adoration of unfettered individualism (for those who have the Right Alpha Stuff, naturally) and the finding-one’s-self quest motif, which devalues narratives that view people as parts of kinship webs and/or absorbed in multiple demanding vocations; if you identified the latter items as primarily “women’s” domains, go to the top of the class.

Golda Meir

Two items have prompted me to revisit this literally hoary topic. One is the constant much-heat-little-light argument about representation and diversity in SF, from which discussions about age are conspicuously absent and primitive in the rare instances they occur. The other is the recent “PC censorship panels” petition to the SFWA – a crude intimidation attempt disguised by its originator as a fight for freedom of speech, with responses to it mostly (though not exclusively) split across age lines. The young(er) hopefuls on the Side of Good opined en masse that all “isms” will disappear from SF “when the old dinosaurs die”.

If only. You have much to learn, grasshoppahs. Take this paragraph and the next as free advice from a lifelong outsider who doesn’t gender-conform in either culture she’s lived in, is in the last third of her life, and has been in the “ism” trenches in all three thirds of it (though perhaps I should attach an invoice to this post: the more expensive the advice, the likelier to be heeded). The real determinant is not age, but entrenched power hierarchies and the sense of entitlement they foster. Age, particularly in the US context, rarely translates to power – especially for women, who are still considered disposable beyond decoration, un/underpaid labor and reproduction. Age may bring hardening of the arteries and softening of the upper and lower heads, but closed minds correlate far more tightly with automatically vested authority and membership in dominant groups. Clinging to power, rather than an attribute of age, is in fact a refusal to really grow up: even kids eventually learn to share their toys.

In most cultures, women never accrete authority or power no matter what their age and are rarely insiders in power networks even in dynasties. There are exceptions: some cultures treat older women as honorary almost-men when the “taint” of menstruation recedes. Also, in cultures that practice gender segregation and uproot women from their homes and blood kin, older women can wield proxy power over younger ones but solely in women-only spaces and aspects. As a net result, women often remain rebels till they die: they really have no other option if they don’t want to be pushed onto that permanently reserved ice floe – though they still get bypassed, ignored, belittled, ridiculed (along many axes, if they happen to have additional “defects” as defined by Faux News)… and plenty of them still get stoned or burned even before age makes them annoying and/or burdensome.


When the issue of age became too pronounced to ignore in the SF community, the usual reactions occurred. The primary response was the obligatory ritual of list compilations. This proved demoralizing, because even the most conscientious couldn’t come up with more than a dozen older women in SF novels and stories, even when counting secondary characters and women in their forties as “old” (in inadvertent harmony with prevailing US norms). Numbers were better in film and TV, which exposes a wrinkle brought further home to me in a wonderful review of The Other Half of the Sky by a discerning reviewer: she mentioned that the anthology contains only one old/er woman. My count had been different, but I went back anyway, counted again and came up with four or five aged protagonists in sixteen stories – more if you fold in characters in their forties, as SF apparently does.

This made me realize that SF readers ratchet down the age of women characters automatically and significantly, unless the writer employs in-your-face signaling techniques – something that can’t happen in visual media, no matter how “natural” the face lifts or hair dyes. Which brings us full circle to social norms. There’s a reason why SF readers don’t see old women, even when the author has explicitly imagined them as such: because it’s accepted and acceptable in the genre that women never attain the authority that accrues to men of equivalent age, experience and expertise – even though history shows otherwise, making much speculative fiction duller than fact.

The near-total excision (at both first and second remove) of old/er women in SF is a sign of timidity and conformism in a genre that proudly dubs itself visionary. Mainstream literature and other genres are literally a-swim with such protagonists. Without looking anything up or thinking hard, in mysteries there’s Agatha Christie’s Miss Marple and Lynda La Plante’s Jane Tennison. In fantasy/alt-history: Sylvia Townsend Warner’s Laura Willowes (The Loving Huntsman), Isak Dinesen’s Pellegrina Leoni (“The Dreamers”, “Echoes”), Joanna Russ’ Abbess Radegunde (Extra(ordinary) People); in historical fiction: Sarah Dunant’s Alessandra Cecchi (The Birth of Venus), Susan Fraser King’s Gruadh Inghean Bodhe (Lady Macbeth), Kate Horsley’s Gwynneve (Confessions of a Pagan Nun); in mainstream literature: Rita Sackville-West’s Lady Slane (All Passion Spent), Colette’s Renée Néré (La Vagabonde), Bertold Brecht’s unnamed grandmother (Die Unwürdige Greisin), Penelope Lively’s Claudia Hampton (Moon Tiger), Stratis Tsirkas’ Ariághne (Drifting Cities), Margaret Laurence’s Hagar Currie Shipley (The Stone Angel).

In stark contrast, women in SF are almost never shown as revered sages/mentors, seasoned leaders, knowledge propagators, memory keepers, inveterate hell-raisers, respected eccentrics – incarnations routinely available to older men that have the added perk of creating positive feedback power loops. As an additional handicap, older women don’t fit the finding-one’s-self quest pattern. They know who they are, what they’re doing and why.  Their tragedies originate from other types of friction: opposing ideas of good from friends and allies; the realization that they will never get the credit or recognition their work merits; and larger brutal if inevitable losses, including the unraveling of painstakingly knit webs and the relentless diminution of one’s powers till the final journey to the dark.

As an exercise, I’m appending a story of mine that appeared in After Hours (#24, 1994). Ask yourself how old the hero looks in your mind’s eye, and whom you envision playing her in a film version. If the answer to either is a perky lacquer-skinned ingenue, ask yourself why.


Night Travels

The wanderer was not yet old, but she felt so — old and scarred and bitter. She had seen years of peace, when she was content to stay in libraries and dream within book covers… or find someone who sweetened her hours and stole a little of her stamina, a little of her self-sufficiency. She had seen years of war, when fires bloomed out of what had been cities and the finer shadings of peacetime faded into black. She had ridden in all weathers, sometimes the horse knowing more about where they were going, bloodstains mingling with rain or snow on her clothing. One great love she had had, and loved a little too long and too hard, more the glimpsed potential than what had been truly there. She was well-known, although an exile from her own land; people sought her advice, valued her friendship, desired her good opinion. She had been counsellor to powerful people and sometimes had led her own band of warriors.

But now she was weary.

She had just left the relative comfort of a manor behind her, having discovered that her patience with people was seriously eroded. For someone who had helped put almost all the present princes of the western provinces on their seats, losing lovers and children in the process, daily concerns had paled somewhat. Her ever-increasing courtliness had become a shield, a distancing device.

She had left in the late morning of a calm winter day, and was slowly guiding her horse over the downs. Here and there, a tuft of trees or a clump of rocks embroidered the eggshell-colored sky. A few whiffs of smoke from the widely separated human habitations dispersed lazily in the crisp air.

She was making her way down a dried riverbed, when she discerned another rider at the mouth of the valley. She approached unhurriedly — friend or foe, there was time.

He was perhaps in his late youth, with very long braided hair of the palest gold — just like the sun that came hazily through the cloud cover. His face was angular and weathered, with piercing storm grey eyes, matching his worn but clean garments. But the horse was enormous and black, and the weapons rivalled her own in quality and length of use.

“No one should have to travel in winter,” he said as she drew up.

“All seasons are the same for wanderers,” she replied.

“If you are going westward, I would be glad of company.”

She examined him. He withstood the scrutiny motionless; when she nodded, he led his horse beside hers without any more words of explanation. Her own mount became restive; she laid a restraining hand upon him, but said nothing. If the traveller had treachery in mind, she could match him.

They headed downhill, following the sun’s path; their shadows went before them, bluish and long. The day passed into afternoon, and eventually, in front of them, the sun engaged in battle. The blood lingered long on the clear horizon.

The stars were distinct when they stopped for the night. A small fire was all their concession to the season; both had often slept on bare ground. She was weary and would have been glad to have slipped into dreaming, but he stayed crosslegged, gazing at the heart of the flame; both manners and common sense required that she keep him company.

“I am a hunter,” he said after a long silence, “and a very good one. But my prey tonight is fey and deadly; what would you advise?” And as he raised his eyes to hers, she saw that they were now empty and reflecting the sky, and knew him.

“Well met, Lord,” she replied. “I should have known, when my horse shied. Why such excessive courtesy? You could have taken me any moment, in any way.”

“And insult your dignity?”

“I wish you hadn’t given me the choice… for I am very tired and would fain decline challenge.”

She stood up; he followed her. With a small sigh, she donned her weapons. They faced each other at a nearby oval stone plateau, which the glaciers had worn smooth. They bowed deeply, and engaged.

She was the best, even past her prime. But the other’s arm was of iron and each of his blows left blood behind, and merciless cold. Under the sliver of the late-rising moon she fought on, and her sword grew blunt; she threw it away and uncoiled her whip, holding the dagger in reserve.

He lowered his own weapon.

“You can stop now; I would be slain were I mortal. Surely honor is fully satisfied.”

She smiled and tried her whip against the wind; it was rising, heralding the sunrise.

They continued circling until the stars paled and a band of many colors appeared on the eastern horizon. Her whole body grew numb and her whip fell from her hand. As he raised his sword for the final thrust, she sank her own dagger to the hilt below her rib.

“I lived to see another dawn,” she whispered. “It is good that no stone will burden me. I will be able to stargaze; perhaps a tree will grow out of me… and the passing cranes will bring me tidings of the world.”


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“As Weak as Women’s Magic”

Why I Won’t Be Taking the Joanna Russ Pledge

Who Will Be Companions to Female Kings?

The Persistent Neoteny of Science Fiction

Ain’t Evolvin’: The Cookie Cutter Self-Discovery Quest

Grandmothers Raise Civilizations

So, Where Are the Outstanding Women in X?

Images: Lady Lisa (Sandy Powers); Golda Meir, fourth prime minister of Israel (Associated Press); Ursula Burns, engineer, CEO of Xerox (Motoya Nakamura); Dr. Jill Tarter, astronomer, SETI pioneer (SETI Archive); Helen Mirren as Prosper@ in Julie Taymor’s The Tempest (Miramax)

26 Responses to “Where Are the Wise Crones in Science Fiction?”

  1. Susan says:

    Oh that story is gorgeous! I have so many feels! I love the line about wanderers and seasons. Is the bloke on the horse Death?

    I like the message of the blog post too. I hope in some future novel my own writing will feature protagonists like that one.

  2. Athena says:

    I’m delighted you liked both parts, Susan! You are, of course, correct about the horseman’s identity. The story is based on Greek folklore. Despite Christianity, Hellenic folk traditions see the underworld like their ancestors did — a dark domain of grief — and Charon as a hunter.

  3. delagar says:

    Excellent post. I’m sharing!

    Love the story, too.

  4. Athena says:

    Thank you, Kelly!

  5. Nick Wood says:

    Great post! Crossed Genres also have their ‘Winter Well’ collection on ‘older women’ in SF

  6. Athena says:

    Glad you liked it, Nick!

    I read Winter Well and appreciated the intent and effort (I’m also well aware of Crossed Genres: they’ve published three of my stories). At the same time, Winter Well’s four stories are good examples of tendencies I discuss in the post. They could only get four submissions that passed quality control; one of the four stories is fantasy, one is explicitly about womb reclamation (direct tie-in to reproduction) and the average age of the four protagonists is on the low side, stretching the definition of “old”.

  7. Asakiyume says:

    I think I remember this story; rereading it now, I like that she denied him his final blow, and that she got to see a new sunrise. It’s a good end.

    Your remarks about US culture’s obsession with youth fits in well with musings I was having about US culture’s approach to sex–how, precisely because it **is** so obsessed with youth, it has a highly limited and distorted notion of the possibilities of sex. It’s all about the initial encounter, the first experience. Either that–or it’s about violence. The notion that it’s an ongoing part of adult life–past your teens and twenties–seems alien. The notion that it’s another element in a grown-up’s way of relating to another grown-up–alien. I’m thinking about something in one of Sherman Alexi’s stories, where he says that in white mainstream society, kids are horrified at the thought of their parents engaging in sex, whereas for Indian kids, it seems natural and ordinary.

  8. Athena says:

    Yes, she’s defiant to the bitter(sweet) end.

    On youth, sexual activity is part of the mislabeling in all eras: women are meant to be sexually active only on command and on demand, as long as they can produce children. Upon menopause or the first sign of flabbiness (whichever comes first), they’re exhorted to think of “higher” things — or be silent/dead. As a corollary, if a story depicts a woman as sexually active, she’s automatically visualized as perky-breasted and wrinkle-free.

  9. Caliban says:

    Another thought-provoking post….

  10. Athena says:

    Very happy you liked it! Beyond the extrinsic reasons, the impetus to write it came after a personal period that made thoughts on the topic inevitable.

  11. R0ck3tsi3nist says:

    Athena, I continue to deeply moved by your clear sighted ability to cut to the chase of so many issues in both art and science. Both for the sake of our gender and humanity in general. As a woman and an artist, I am compelled to reach out and say, your transformation from scientist to artist is an example of the polymath in action. Also, great article! YEAH

  12. Athena says:

    Dear Kathryn, it makes me very happy to see you again at my blog; thank you for the wonderful words — they really help with motivation and morale!

  13. intrigued_scribe says:

    Absorbing post!

    Also love the story; the imagery it paints is simply beautiful, from all the facets of the life the protagonist’s lived as affectingly revealed through her thoughts to her ending her encounter with Death on her own terms.

  14. Athena says:

    I’m delighted you liked them, dear Heather! Indeed, she’s determined to live and die on her own terms. “Night Travels” is the last story told by a storyteller in “The Legacy” — I think you’ve read that one. If you haven’t, let me know and I’ll send it along.

  15. Jan the Alan Fan says:

    A nicely written story. 🙂

  16. Athena says:

    Glad you liked!

  17. Christopher Phoenix says:

    Lovely post, Athena!! (: It is quite true that older women are rarely portrayed in most SF stories- which excludes any matriarchs, formidable crones, and wise old ones. Even though the opportunities to do so abound (on a long-generation starship I imagine that the memories and experience of the old crew would be very important to the continuation of the mission…)

    The story was quite interesting, I guessed the identity of the rider as soon as he spoke of himself as a hunter. I was reminded of Thor’s wrestling match with Elli (Old Age in disguise) in Gylfaginning– no matter his strength and perseverance, not even Thor could escape being dragged down by her. But the wanderer still managed to meet her death on her own terms, not Charon’s.

  18. Athena says:

    Glad you liked it, Chris! Yes, it’s fairly easy to guess the identity of the rider. As I mentioned) in earlier comments, the story is partly based on Hellenic folklore (the fight is distilled in the figure of Dighenís Akrítas) but it contains hat tips to a few other sources: Alphonse Daudet’s tale of Blanquette (in Letters from my Mill) and Poul Anderson’s Ythrians, with their concept of god as a hunter.

  19. Walden2 says:

    Regarding the treatment of older women as sages and respected elders in science fiction, how about the Oracle from The Matrix series? She was very much respected and the only person who did not get all worked up over Neo being “The One”.

    Even without Morpheus and the rest gushing about her, you could just tell upon meeting her that the Oracle was way more than her appearance as a sweet little old lady baking cookies in the kitchen.

  20. Athena says:

    That’s why I said that the visibility of old(er) women in SFF, unusually, is reversed in film and TV compared to books. Raizel in Willow and the Oracle in The Matrix are two such examples.

  21. Dana A says:

    Keeping myself to just examples from science fiction (not fantasy or other spec fic)

    One of my favorite science fiction books has an older woman as main character: Mirabile by Janet Kagan.

    Geoff Ryman, Ursula Le Guin and Lois M Bujold have older women as supporting characters (as may have been mentioned already). One of my favorites of Bujold’s that was not mentioned: Cordelia’s mother shows up in Warrior’s Apprentice as a wise crone type, Betan style.

    Ilsidi steals the whole series she appears in (C J Cherryh). Ariane Emory in Cyteen by the same author. Quite a few others in various series.

    Marion Zimmer Bradly had Ashara and others. Catherine Asaro’s science fiction is full of matriarchs and older women (not always the same thing, but she has tons of both). Sharon Shinn’s work also has both (Heart of Gold and her angel series, both science fiction).

    All the writesr but Ryman I’ve mentioned so far were women … trying to think of men. Lloyd Biggle’s series with Effie Schlupe is one that comes to mind; Schluppy is in her 70s and a main character in several books of the series.

  22. Athena says:

    Examples are good, but the general point that women Elders are rare in SFF compared to the tsunami of father/male mentor/patriarch figures stands.

  23. Dana A says:

    Thanks for replying! 🙂

    I agree that your point about the relative scarcity of women Elders in science fiction stands.

    One point though, that I don’t quite see is that visual media is ahead of written in portrayal of elder women. I can keep on going with the written examples – right now I’m re-reading the Kindar series by Zilpha Keatley Snyder, and there’s an important woman Elder figure in this series, D’ol Falla.

    The Yiddish Policeman’s Union had women Elders in several supporting roles, one of the most memorable Batsheva Shpilman.

    Vatta’s War series has Great Aunt Gracie, who is a mentor for (at least some of) the main characters of the series. Also Quincy Robin, ship engineer and woman elder.

    Norman Spinrad’s A World Between had as its main character a woman who was a political leader and both older and more powerful and (in her culture/planet considered) attractive/charismatic for these traits.

    Trouble with Lichen, in which Wyndham imagines a woman biochemist using her age-slowing discovery to create a power base by delivering it to the powerful women as a beauty treatment – most of her customers are older, powerful women in this plot device.

    I remember another one — I can’t find the reference though — a recent (past 10 years or so at least), probably award nominated story about a group of older people in a retirement home. One was a former ballerina.

    Not saying there aren’t also examples from movies or television – but I don’t think a few examples demonstrate there’s more, just not convinced. Also felt inclined to list examples missed by the citation “even the most conscientious couldn’t come up with more than a dozen older women in SF novels and stories, even when counting secondary characters and women in their forties as old” – because I can by myself come up with more than a dozen, even with (an effort of) keeping myself specifically to authors not mentioned by your article or the linked one the quote refers to, and also keeping to explicitly science fiction rather than fantasy, and not only that, barring science fiction set in settings where they have stopped aging – because it’s tough to tell who is intended as an elder in those stories (where everyone might be in the hundreds and still acting like their mid 20s – and there’s a lot of those settings in SF).

    I’m also brought to mind of Tiptree’s famous story about the women men don’t see. Maybe the more we see of who is there, the more authors will want to write more like them?

  24. Athena says:

    My point about visual media is very specific: you cannot unconsciously ratchet down the age of a woman character in a film the way people often do with characters on paper, because you see them. So there’s no room for subjective interpretation. As for women men don’t see, my article is obviously written from the viewpoint of a woman.

  25. Dana A says:

    The visual component to age interpretation stymied me as well when I was recalling the older women in science fiction for my earlier replies to your blog. It may not be evident but I’m writing from a viewpoint of a woman too, one who at nearly 50 years old has been reading SF avidly for about 40 years. (You wrote in another post on the blog that you began reading SF in the early 70s, so around the same time span as you) I also find it easier to remember older women from movies or TV than from books, and I have read a lot more books than I have watched movies or TV shows. My experience though is that the effort of recall is what’s harder, not that the number of individual characters is smaller, but that I do not mentally categorize literary characters by age cohort as readily as I do characters portrayed by actors, so thinking of examples takes a longer effort.

    The parallel I found between the Tiptree story and the erasure you highlight of the ratchet down of age of a woman character was not as specific as male-viewpoint; maybe it’s the older women that younger readers don’t realize are there? Maybe it’s the intersectionality of older + woman that readers in a youth and male privileging culture tend to read as younger because that’s an easier sliding scale to mistake?

    Thanks again for replying, and also for your blog as a whole which I have found enjoyable and enlightening to read, and for the mental exercise of remembering older women characters from books too.

  26. Athena says:

    You’re quite right about visualizing characters — which also speaks to the fact that written SF often lags in creating characters that etch themselves in the reader’s memory.

    I’m delighted you found the blog interesting!